Asheville, Off the Tech Hub Grid
by havoc
Software developers often find themselves considering a short list of west coast “tech hub” cities when they think about where to live. As Richard Florida points out, “the world is flat” theories are at least partially wrong; industries tend to concentrate in certain cities, where people can find each other, hire talent, network, and launch companies. This could not be more true in the software world.
Last summer I posted about moving to Asheville, NC. There’s not much tech industry here, and that sucks. In fact, there aren’t a lot of jobs at all, in any field.
In every other way, though, it’s wonderful, and ought to be on your list of places to visit (or even consider living). If you’d like to stay on the Eastern side of the US, restricting yourself to only tech hub cities leaves few options. If you can figure out how to work outside an industry hub, your choices expand.
West coast and Northeastern US residents often haven’t heard of Asheville. Let me tell you why you should have a look. (Hey, if I convince enough people, we can get a tech industry going!)
Disclaimer
I’m not trying to argue which is the “best” city. Obviously: your happiness has more to do with friends and family, fulfilling work, and attitude than with location. And the best location has to do with what you like and best fit for you. There’s no beach near Asheville, if you’re a beach person, for example. Anyway don’t get defensive!
I thought I’d write something up because: Asheville isn’t as widely-known as it ought to be, it’s amazingly hard to find useful discussion of places to live, plus you might want to check the city out as a vacation spot.
The Quick Bullet List
Pros:
- Located in a mountain valley at 2400ft, surrounded by national forest and parkland. Natural beauty visible from downtown. Outdoor recreation everywhere.
- Economy powered by tourism attracts a vibrant artistic/creative class, leading to food, shopping, cultural events, and other city amenities you’d expect from a much larger city.
- Typical commute into center of downtown during “rush hour” takes 5-10 minutes.
- Milder summers than lower-elevation southern cities, milder winters than northeastern cities. Has four distinct seasons, with nice leaves in fall, a few good snowfalls in winter, typically 75-80 degrees in summer.
- Much cheaper than big cities.
- There isn’t the same “cramped condo near city stuff or big house out in boring suburbs” tradeoff you’d find in most big cities. You can live near downtown, and also near outdoor recreation, and have a spacious house, all for a reasonable price. In a big city you need a lot of cash to have space and be close to city amenities.
- Airport is large enough to have regular flights to the hubs, but small enough that you can go from car to gate in under 10 minutes. Quick parking and total lack of lines more than compensates for lack of nonstops. (I rarely got a nonstop from say Boston Logan, anyhow.)
- On the East coast. This may be a pro or a con for you. It’s a pro for us since we’re closer to family, and I like my mountains on a smaller scale, Appalachian-style.
Cons:
- No tech industry. The economy is tourism-based. (It is entrepreneurial, but the entrepreneurs are creating food, hotels, art, etc. rather than high tech products. Starting a business may be your best bet for work, in fact.)
- Public transportation isn’t good. The condo-in-city-with-no-car lifestyle doesn’t work well here. Though you don’t have to drive far or deal with much traffic, you have to drive at least sometimes.
- There’s a school of thought on message boards comparing Asheville to non-cities; common points made include: there are lots of people with “hippie” clothes and tattoos, lots of traffic, crime, and stuff is too expensive. If you are comparing to any large city, I doubt you’ll take these criticisms seriously. However, yes, Asheville is a (small) city and has city things (on a small scale).
- If progressive bumper stickers, everything-organic vegans, art installations, and things along those lines annoy you, you’ll be annoyed.
- It’s small enough that some may find it claustrophobic.
Comparable Cities
Here are some of the more-similar places you might compare Asheville to, to give a sense of how they differ. I won’t try to make a comprehensive list; just trying to locate Asheville among its peers.
- Chapel Hill / Carrboro, NC, another small east-coast place with good amenities and low costs. Chapel Hill proper is much smaller than Asheville, but it has easy access to the larger Raleigh-Durham. Unlike Asheville, there’s a tech industry here. You’ll do more driving and see more sprawl in the Triangle than in Asheville, and you won’t have the 15-minute access to parks and forests. You’ll be hotter in the summer, too. In short, no mountains, but a lot more local economic opportunity. I’ll lump Raleigh-Durham itself into this bullet point.
- Northampton, MA is a little college town in the mountains that has a similar “feel” to Asheville in some ways. It is a tenth the size, though.
- Athens, GA is a larger southern college town, still smaller than Asheville. Unlike Chapel Hill, Northampton, and Athens, Asheville is not a college town; it’s a tourist town. But Asheville has some of the same creative-class feel you’d find in a college town.
- Boulder, CO is half the size of Asheville. It’s far colder (the Rockies are much higher mountains!) and far more expensive. But it has a thriving tech community, great amenities, and better skiing.
- Portland, OR is about four times the size of Asheville, with great public transportation, food, beer, and a lot more tech stuff going on.
- Austin, TX is about eight times the size, but it’s a pretty inexpensive place to live with lots of great amenities and of course a tech community. It feels like a big city, though it’s smaller than the Northeastern cities.
- Nashville, TN and Knoxville, TN are west of Asheville on the other side of the mountains. I haven’t spent much time in these cities but people say good things.
- Charleston, SC might be the beach equivalent of Asheville, similar in scale, also a tourist town, about 4.5 hours southeast.
- Greenville, SC is an hour south of Asheville, just below the mountains, and worth a visit. It has a nice downtown with a lot of effort behind it, including a lovely park around a natural waterfall.
Asheville deserves its spot in this book, it’s a yuppie/progressive/etc. kind of city. If you can’t handle it when people talk about sustainable, organic, crafting, etc. then you can’t handle Asheville.
(If it isn’t clear, I’m describing only one aspect of Asheville from a yuppie kind of perspective, because that’s what I know. There’s a lot of poverty here, too, and the city looks pretty different from that standpoint. And of course there’s a “tourists and yuppies go home!” point of view to be found.)
Getting Oriented
You have the bullet points, now here’s some detail.
Asheville is a small city in Western North Carolina (“WNC”), about 80,000 people in city limits, 400,000 in the statistical area. In any direction you look, there’s a mountain vista Eastern-style: covered in green, 4,000-6,000 foot peaks, rather than the 10,000-20,000 feet out west. Asheville itself is in a valley, around 2,100 feet, but there’s a 2,600 foot mountain ridge running straight into the middle of town. You’ll see this mountain, rather than the downtown skyline, anytime you’re south of it.
Asheville has a tourism-based economy. As the largest city in the immediate area, it’s also the home of a regional hospital, the largest employer in town.
The city is surrounded by areas that aren’t open to development; Pisgah National Forest, Biltmore Estate, and Blue Ridge Parkway, are some of the larger ones. Past Pisgah to the West, there’s Great Smoky Mountains National Park.
If you’re used to a larger city with actual traffic, understand the scale of Asheville. Driving from one side of the city to the other takes around 15 minutes.
My family’s approach to Asheville is to live in the city for daily proximity to what it offers, and then drive 15 minutes out to do outdoor stuff. Another approach is to live outside the city (cheaper) and either save money on housing or spend your money on having some land. I’ll focus on the in-city option because there are lots of places you could live in the country, this post is about the city of Asheville. Another option, btw, is to live in one of the charming smaller towns in the area, such as Hendersonville or Waynesville.
History
In the 1890s, George Washington Vanderbilt II decided to live like European nobility and built what remains the largest house in the United States here in Asheville. Today it’s a tourist attraction, with the house, a winery, restaurants, hiking trails, a resort hotel, and so on. (If you live here, you can get a cheap annual pass to visit the estate unlimited times, treating it as a giant city park.)
Asheville was a resort town in the last big credit bubble, in the 1920s. Downtown is packed with fabulous Art Deco buildings, and a number of neighborhoods are full of houses built in the 20s. It was a Great Gatsby kind of place (midway through the Great Depression, F. Scott Fitzgerald showed up and drank himself to death). Post-1929, the city went into stasis for fifty years; they didn’t even have enough money to tear down or renovate the old 20s stuff — historic preservation through poverty.
Downtown
Twenty years ago Asheville’s downtown was a wasteland (you’ve probably visited many cities that are still this way). All the great old 20s architecture boarded up and empty. Now, when I walk out of my office downtown on Friday or Saturday night the place is just swarming with people. There are an outrageous number of bars, restaurants, and coffee shops, with heavy competition pushing quality up. There are loads of art galleries. There are clothing boutiques and gift shops and a place that sells 900 beers. A great thing about downtown Asheville (and one reason it’s a tourist destination) is that most of the businesses are local and unique.
Outdoors
For those who’ve been to Western Massachusetts, Vermont, and New Hampshire, the overall feel of Western North Carolina is similar to those mountain areas. The Berkshires are lower-altitude than the WNC mountains, but they’re also farther north, so their climate comes out colder.
East coast mountains are green and different in scale from those out West.
I don’t ski, and by all accounts it’s far inferior in the East. However, we have great whitewater, backpacking, mountain and road biking, trail running, leaf peeping, camping, fishing, and so on and so forth. You could spend years and never run out of new trails, rivers, and waterfalls.
When it’s nice out we go hike up a mountain or something on a moment’s notice. It’s not a trip you have to plan, it’s just as convenient as going to a movie.
Weather
You can’t beat Asheville’s climate while still having seasons.
North Carolina isn’t in the same heat league as Georgia or Texas, even in Raleigh/Durham. Western North Carolina moderates things further because of the altitude; Asheville is around 2400 feet. Spring and Fall are mostly perfect in the 60s and 70s, Summer tends to be 70s to 80s. 2009 had zero days above 90, though in most years there would be a few. On a 90-degree day, a short drive up a mountain can take 30 degrees off, plus offer a scenic picnic.
In the winter it snows a few times, so it feels like winter. Snow doesn’t stay on the ground for a couple months the way it does in the Northeast; within a few days there will be highs enough above freezing to melt snow. Asheville mostly lacks bitterly cold days, not venturing too far below freezing.
Some won’t like rain and humidity, but they are about average compared to the United States as a whole; while say Seattle (in winter) or Miami (in summer) are well above average. In the mountains, it often rains in short bursts, as wet air from the coast slows down.
Neighborhoods
You can split the city up into two broad categories. North, Center, and West are older areas with many houses from the 20s (and 40s,50s,60s; pretty much none from the 30s). These neighborhoods tend to be an older style with sidewalks, etc. For the most part these neighborhoods are in the city school district. East and South are newer areas and have sprawl tendencies (gated communities, box stores). These areas are in the county school district. In all directions things eventually fade into a more living-in-the-country feel. Of the older areas, West Asheville has had less gentrification and remodeling, so it’s cheaper. The old houses in the west often have no more than two bedrooms, while many old houses in northern and central neighborhoods have been redone and expanded. There’s a fair bit of new construction mixed into the older neighborhoods, as well.
Here’s a map of neighborhood names (only useful if you’re looking for a place to live).
Food and Beer
Asheville has an outrageous number of bars and restaurants for its size, thanks to tourist traffic. It’s competitive enough that many of them are very good, and often not even expensive. While the town has Friday’s and Chilis and so on, we haven’t been to those places since moving here: they are more expensive than the twice-as-good unique local places.
Food here tends to be honest, simple, and fresh, rather than showy fine dining or molecular gastronomy. Local ingredients are more common than exotica.
Craft breweries are big. Typically, restaurants have several of the local beers available.
I’d say the “restaurant rotation” near my office downtown beats the one near my old office on Boylston Street in Boston.
There are quite a few farmer’s markets that set up temporarily, in-season we visit a couple of them regularly. Plus the permanent WNC Farmer’s Market. There are four different “crunchy/organic” grocery stores, including Whole Foods, Fresh Market, the regional Earth Fare chain (my favorite), and the French Broad Food Coop. We have regular grocery stores as well, of course.
The quality food options are way ahead of those in most similarly-sized cities, they tend to be relatively cheap compared to large cities, and as always in Asheville, you can get there in less than 15 minutes.
Tourist Attractions
Lots of people have written tourist guides for the area, here are some:
I’d tend to do some shopping/eating/drinking downtown in between visiting the surrounding mountains for your choice of outdoor adventures. There are some great hotels and spas though if you aren’t up for anything active.
But it’s in the South!
Lots of people just can’t handle the south. You’re being silly, people. Also, there’s a good chance you’re basing this on Atlanta. Livability-wise, Atlanta is a sprawl nightmare with superheated summers. Give the rest of the region a chance.
Asheville isn’t very “Southern” in the stereotypical way; lots of people relocated here from other parts of the country, and those who are from the South are often fleeing small towns where they didn’t fit in. Like Chapel Hill, Asheville is a little “blue” island in a red state.
That said, there’s plenty of Western North Carolina tradition in the area, including friendly people, good food, and all the rest.
An Incredible Value
Asheville excels in livability, with a bit less excitement than a condo near downtown in a large city, but far more excitement and convenience than a typical large city suburb. You get easy-to-visit-daily convenient access to both downtown amenities and outdoor recreation, which means in practice taking advantage of all those things.
When I lived in a Chicago apartment, I did city things but rarely left the city; when I lived in the suburbs of Boston, I rarely went into the city (and the suburbs are a wasteland!). In a typical Asheville week, we’ll do some stuff outdoors, and we’ll go downtown, because it’s all less than 15 minutes away.
Reading that, I think you’re dead on blobbing it with Boulder. Minor correction: on average (at least according to wikipedia) the average highs and lows look to be nearly the same year-round, though I’d imagine the standard deviation may be wider here in Boulder than in NC…
I haven’t been to Boulder but, from what people tell me, it
sounds much more expensive and elitist.
Boulder is extremely conservative while Asheville is liberal.
Huh? Boulder is not conservative, it’s the most liberal place in Colorado!
I love Asheville, and would probably move back there for the right job. The mountains are gorgeous in the Fall and I am more of an Asheville personality than surrounding country :). The one area that should be gone over is schools. I remember there were several small colleges there but have no idea which ones are still there.
Asheville has a pretty awesome range of interesting
colleges and universities including UNC-Asheville and Warren Wilson
College but the grad options are few.
Excellent article on Asheville, and dead on accurate. I
would love to see more high tech jobs in the area, or any jobs
besides the service industry. That being said, the area has
remained relatively stable the last few years, and at least there
are jobs to be had.
Asheville does have some significant tech jobs but they are
niche oriented. For example, climate – the world’s largest
environmental and climate database is housed at the National
Climatic Data Center. There’s also the Cooperative Institute for
Climate and Satellites. That said, there is definitely a need for
growing the tech community!
Not sure I should love you or hate you for this excellent
article 🙂 I guess if it gets only the right people to Asheville
it’s ok, but encouraging to many people to this beautiful place
will ruin it. Anyhow, I’ve been trying to get to the WNC area for
many years and the lack of Tech. and general jobs in the area have
kept me away. I even gave up a stable job and took a remote
position with a startup in the hopes of getting there. Sadly this
also isn’t working out. Possibly the Facebook data center opening
nearby will help this situation.
I’m hopeful that Asheville’s inevitable growth will be well-managed. The city government seems to have a decent sense of the dangers and plans such as the river greenway look promising. Also, the national forest and steep slopes create some barriers, the city proper can only grow so much before it runs into this stuff. Creating additional “town centers” such as haywood in the west, river arts district, biltmore village, etc. may help avoid overload of downtown (multiple downtowns in effect). I don’t know.
I do expect though that if the population keeps rising, prices near the city center will keep going up too. Tough to do anything about that. If the area ever got a high-paying jobs engine, prices would go up even more.
The colleges are: UNC Asheville, Warren Wilson, Montreat,
Mars Hill (20 miles outside of town), AB Tech. Black Mountain
College was here, and left a legacy and enhanced the spirit of the
area as conducive to creative/artistic pursuits.
http://www.blackmountaincollege.org/
Asheville’s definitely a unique spot and I’m glad to be a new resident!
Regarding your warning:
“If you can’t handle it when people talk about sustainable, organic, crafting, etc. then you can’t handle Asheville.”
After living in San Francisco and Austin I was a bit burned out on talk of such things especially from burned out hippies. I made the mistake of thinking Asheville would have that vibe and didn’t check it out when I moved back to NC 5 years ago.
Big mistake. Havoc’s right in that if you can’t handle hearing about such things (ooh, so sensitive!) you might not like the local culture but if you’re simply tired of the hype and want to focus on making such things happen or being around people who do, then this is a great place to be.
During my first two visits I kept comparing certain aspects of local culture to my days in SF before realizing the big difference.
People are actually friendly and open here in a way that you don’t get in a place like San Francisco or Austin.
That said, I’m focusing on web publishing and really wish there was a scene with lots of young programmers around that want to stir things up.
Now how to get from here to there without killing the golden goose prematurely is a great question cause this friendly positive state will not last long term (Raleigh’s a great example of that) though I hope to contribute to keeping it going!
My main disclaimer would be: If you don’t have a job or a way to make your own living, don’t move here looking for that. Lots of people move here, can’t find work and leave. At least, that’s what folks here tell me and the skimpy job listings certainly support that. That’s going to be tough to get around.
Excellent article. The only thing I would dispute is the
lack of a tech industry in Asheville. It may be small, but one
certainly exists. Meet the Geeks is the local IT networking group
which meets the last Wednesday of the odd months of the year (Jan,
Mar, etc) from 5:30p – 8:00p down at Scully’s at 13 Walnut St. Meet
the Geeks has over 500 IT professional registered, with between
30-60 attending each meeting. See http://www.meetthegeeks.net/ for
more info. Locally, there are 100-200 IT companies in the greater
WNC area. The biggest is Drake Software out in Franklin. In
Asheville, Q-Matic is a global queuing software provider whose US
headquarters are in Asheville, while Netriplex is a national data
center company headquartered here. Other smaller IT companies here
include HomeGauge, Digital Chalk, BUILDERadius, OpenLeads,
DoctorDirectory and RealServ. Plus there’s dozens of smaller shops
like One Who Serves and Integritive doing IT support, web design
and application development for both local and national clients.
Finally, you have the non-IT companies like Mission Hospital and
Volvo which have in-house IT departments and are regularly hiring.
Asheville is definitely no Boston or Silicon Valley, but it has
opportunities. It’s just they are often hidden, since many
companies based in Asheville don’t have an Asheville focus and thus
don’t advertise their presence here (for that matter, many
companies based in Boston don’t advertise their Boston presence).
If you’re trying to find a job here, I’d definitely recommend Meet
the Geeks. Also, search LinkedIn and restrict your search to people
around Asheville in the Computer industry. Or just get a remote job
and work from Asheville, as others have done. It’s a great city
though, and I look forward to more IT jobs coming to Asheville as
the companies we have here grow and others relocate.
I don’t mean to say there are no tech jobs at all of course, just that it’s not in the same league as a tech “hub” – tech companies and resources such as investors are pretty centralized in a few cities.
Appreciate the list of company names and the Meet the Geeks pointer.
You have Asheville pegged. I went to UTK down the hill in Knoxville, and it’s very similar. A bit bigger, has ORNL to anchor a small (but very interesting) tech scene, and isn’t quite as hilly as Asheville. The mountains are just outside of town in most directions; the Tennessee River flows through town.
The only major difference that counts for me is that Knoxville is far closer to all the cool caves. Just not much caving in North Carolina at all. But you have everything else there, and better rock for climbing.
As a child, I recall driving across at Asheville before the interstate went in. Long drive. Slow.
As for The South, I’m not sure I’d sure call at least some of Hotlanta very “southern”… but I’m picking nits now.
@Clyde: you’re dead on with respect to the difference between Asheville and places like Austin and San Fran. I’m living in San Fran right now (ok, East Bay, whatever), and it *is* annoying. It’s annoying because I first went to college at IU (Bloomington), and people didn’t make a big damn deal about it. They just did it; just purchased the land and went out there and lived sustainably. In 1979. Out here, there’s this implicit assumption of being on the “cutting edge” of “the movement.” Mostly, I keep my mouth shut.
Enjoyed the article quite a bit. I’ve been meaning to move back to the states for some time now, and the north carolina mountains do have my heart. Thanks for making Asheville possible, in my mind 🙂
You’d be surprised how many techies are around you. All you have to do is seek them out on social media sites and start a “geek out” event. We started the Myrtle Beach Geek Out over a year ago (http://mbgeekout.com) which has spawned a Rock Hill cousin (http://rhgeekout.com). We’re well on our way to creating co-working spaces and cultivating a tech industry!
This was by far the best description of Asheville I have coming across.
or come across, for that matter…
Thanks so much for all the info – esp the Meet the Geeks that someone posted here. I love NC and have been living in NYC for 12 years..I’m a graphic/web designer and am looking around at jobs in the area.
I’m a big outdoorsy geek and NYC is killin’ me. Portland is my fav town but my fam is in Alabama and I want to be closer….. can’t wait to visit this month! 🙂
Thanks for a balanced overview of a transplants perspective on Asheville. My wife and I are considering moving our family there from Charleston, SC. Most of the comments I can find online about moving to Asheville are from 2009-ish and are nothing but bitter and angry people who moved there and couldn’t get jobs (not too shocking in 2009). We have loved our time in Charleston, but we are not big beach and water people anymore. I recently attended a workshop just west of Asheville and was overwhelmed with how much I missed that area (I attended boarding school in Asheville in high school). I would be very curious to get an update on your Asheville perspective. If you would be willing to bring us up to date, it would be greatly appreciated. Thanks much
Havoc, Great write-up on one of my favorite small cities. My wife and I are seriously considering moving to the area, and your write-up adds fuel to the flame. We grew up in the South (me: Charleston, her: Memphis) but have lived all over the country, including near Austin and in San Francisco. My cousin is an attorney in Asheville and is trying to get me there. We’re both bicyclists and motorcyclists, and he’s always touting the area for that.
I have lived in Asheville for 14 years. My industry is decidedly tech, but I sell and market solutions rather than write code. I think that a good way to gauge the relative “techiness” of a town is to gauge its job stream….i.e. are there sales jobs, marketing jobs, leadership positions, administrative jobs, etc. that sit on the periphery. To this, I would say that there is not much of a peripheral job stream at all.
There was mention that there are a handful of companies here, but that their focus was not oriented toward the local economy. I agree with this as well.
This, of course, can change, but I have noticed a contraction in recent years in tech companies.
My husband and I are considering moving from Colorado to Asheville to be closer to family. The main thing holding us back is that he is a sw developer, and there do not seem to be many jobs. I am curious since this blog was written in 2011 if anything has changed?
I think no significant change; I would not come here planning to be hired by a local Asheville company. Even if you have a job offer, it would be tough to count on getting another local tech job if you ever left the first one. And when there are jobs, the salaries seem to be low compared to what you’d get working remotely or in a place with more tech jobs. I think it’d be risky to count on having a local tech job continuously for a whole career. Maybe IT jobs are more feasible to find than software dev jobs, since lots of non-software companies need IT.
On the plus side, there are quite a few software devs here like me who work remotely. Since this post I’ve met quite a few. So there’s some (small) community and some people to talk to.
Hi Havoc, thanks for the blog and the response above. Still in Golden, CO and trying to figure out how to get back east. Are there any other cities back east with a progressive outdoorsy feel that may have more tech jobs? I’m originally from Maryland, have been in Golden for ~13 years and am trying to move back with Nancy above.
The cities with more tech jobs are basically all the big ones, as far as I know – Greenville, Raleigh, Atlanta, DC, Charlotte, etc., and of course the northeast (New York, Boston, etc). I don’t know of an eastern city like Boulder that’s small/outdoorsy and also has an unusually high number of tech companies – Boulder as I understand it is a combination of the local university and being a place many bay area VCs liked to visit, so it’s sort of unique. Greenville is only an hour from Asheville, though. You might also like Knoxville or Chattanooga or Nashville, I don’t know a lot about their tech job situation, but you could look into it. I’ve spent the most time in Chattanooga, it is close to mountain outdoors and has a nice downtown.
What do you know how to do?
I might have a job for him. What does he do?
Thanks for the info! I wonder if you have an update for Dec 2015? Do ‘Meet the Geeks’ do a fine job representing all of the high tech opportunities/growth? We LOVE the idea of Asheville, buy, partner a senior RF design engineer and no luck finding anything there so far. Perhaps we’ll have to start a brewery instead! 🙂
I have a job available in Asheville for a technical mind. IT and HVAC Controls.